- s anand says:
July 7, 2011 at 6:52 am
Just tweeted but 140 characters is less than what i need. So much of this problem is with the fact that SBI handled it. Karvy in Mumbai does it quickly, efficiently. Also, we too were confronted with the Marathi form till we were told it was optional and meant primarily for those who had NO other proof of id, proof of address . The problem with UID is that they are not communicating this properly or the state govt is simply piggybacking on UID to get info much of it having been collected in the census forms earlier.
Good luck anyway !
- Shiv Agarwal says:
July 7, 2011 at 4:30 pm
LOL! Similar experience during my visit to India. Anyways, I don’t think the revenue is based on number of people enrolled/day rather it is plain and simple number of days enrollment was done irrespective of number of people enrolled. These things are basic flaws in the way business is done in India whether it is an organization like SBI or Airtel where it took me 2.5 hours to purchase a basic 3g wireless connection – Same issues of un-trained people, 3 people to cater to 50 customers and inefficient infrastructure (read electricity). In a population of a billion and such cheap labour I am always surprised at the ratio of the service personnel vs. customers at any business.
- Vinod Mehta says:
July 7, 2011 at 10:13 pm
Congratulation to be part of Aadhar. I still don’t feel confidence enough to share my bio-metric details with Govt. Thank you for your post at least it set some expectation on level of service I will be expecting.
Good luck.
- Lehana Singh says:
July 17, 2011 at 10:53 pm
Well I have myself worked for UIDAI and team Nandan. This is really a group of spirited people. The IAS officers and other Govt. Officials here are of a different creed.
This is perfectly safe. Having worked on nitty gritties of UIDAI, I can tell you that there is no harm in submitting your Biometrics and the Govt. have nothing to do with it. The whole program have been outsourced and will be completely managed by a MSP in future.
- Sandeep says:
July 25, 2011 at 7:52 pm
UID still evokes suspicion of the govt and big corporates. May be you can dispel some fears.
What is the assurance that health providers won’t trade patient data at a cost to insurance providers who may benefit from it. After all, all one needs is a number to link the both. And there is huge incentive to do so.
There is also talks of making UId mandatory for various things like opening bank accounts etc, which will lead to discrimination as banking companies access personal info and make it basis for accepting/denying requests.
Personal databases with Aadhar data would start being sold in no time at a price by unscrupulous elements.
- Anuradha Goyal says:
July 8, 2011 at 5:40 am
Do you think this is a good insight into how the CXOs of the technology companies should visit the ground level users of their technologies and figure out issues. When you are talking about Clouds, people at ground level are struggling with wires to connect two computers?
- suranga date says:
July 13, 2011 at 4:37 am
One of the more strange features of this project is that no one announces any schedules for having adhar enrollments in communities. My family and I ended up going for ours after hearing rumors from folks about huge queues, 2-3 hour waiting in the hot Mumbai summer sun, and all kinds of stuff. No one announced the camp, how long or where. Everything was happening by word-of-mouth.
- The actual operation seemed to go smoothly, with 4 stations, 1 supervisor lady who constantly took rounds, and two guys who simply managed folks cribbing in queues, and directed (polite) folks like me inside.
I saw the young people manning the stations, doing an excellent job, explaining what was to be done, to the folks who were not so computer literate and a bit apprehensive of machines, but I didnt see anyone getting anxious as such. The transliteration into marathi was very expertly done, and almost instant.
I dont know really how much this card will be actually used eventually, given that various governments often act as spokes in the wheel, but this will certainly throw up a huge number of well trained , computer savvy, minimally educated young folks, who can possibly use that skill to get ahead in life. (I am not talking about Btech (CS) folks here).
I wrote about it here
- Raj Mashruwala says:
August 22, 2011 at 3:17 am
Basab,
We met when you replaced Phaneesh and when I ran TIBCO. I discovered your site recently. I spent 18 months on designing Aadhaar. While I am no longer volunteering at UIDAI, I will pass some of your learnings to my friends at UIDAI. To respond to some of the issues you raised,
1. What you see as ultimate system is a combination of the core system provided by UIDAI and custom software developed by local vendor for SBI or a registar. While UIDAI supplied software is rather simple — mandatory 4-6 fields and optional 5 fields, local registar frequenly adds complexity. For example, networking of two machines is not part of UIDAI software. UIDAI software was intentionally designed for a stand alone computer.
2. Field training continues to be issue as I read reports across various states. UIDAI provides operator training, has empanneled training agency and has instituted third party operator certification. Every operator must go through certification. It appears this is still not sufficient.
3. Enrollment center management. We have a long way to go here. Respect for resident dignity is non-existent.
4. Local language. Since you enrolled, there is I believe improvement in the software for local language. The decision was made to use two languages — English and local. I still believe this is a correct decision. When a local villager goes to a ration shop and is going to get authenticated, it is best done in a local language. I believe this area will become much more robust as time passes. Auto transliteration is not trivial and we embarked on solving that problem. The dream is to use this data to standardise India’s physical address system — we are one of the few countries where no standardized addressing format exist (I am referring to a postal address for example).
Hope this helps
….Raj Mashruwala
- Lehana Singh says:
August 22, 2011 at 7:58 am
Dear Mr. Raj,
Though I am bit surprised but excited to see you on this forum. If you remember correctly, I was working with the consulting team for UIDAI. Some 2 months ago, I also visited this exciting blog and tried to quench a bit of doubts of outsiders to this project. Still, being senior member of team, You can provide a better perspectives about the security issues.
@ Sandeep et al (all those, who have raised doubts about the privacy and other Issues at UIDAI)
As stated earlier, I have myself worked with Mr. Raj and others for this UIDAI project. One of the hallmark of this project was that, it has vendor, platform and technology neutrality. While procuring the bio-metrics (BSP) system, it was ensured that there is no bias towards any one particular modus operandi to
1. Ensure their is no favor to any one vendor (there are 7-8 major OEM’s for Biometric in world)
2. If in future, one vendor quits or is forced to quit, others are able to replace him
3. There are 3 vendors working simultaneously, so there is a great level of internal competition between them to ensure quality of data processing, masking and encryption. Also, their revenues are based on some confidential metrics guided by parameters, which ensure utmost quality and data safety.
4. The test probes have been designed in such a manner that there is literally nil scope for some sub-optimal or illegitimate operation.
There are hordes of other details, but these are the only public details, which I can give for arguments as I am bound by my professional ethics of confidentiality.
The level of encryption and complexity in the whole system, makes it literally impossible for anyone to misuse the data. This includes even the internal users and handler of this data.
Lehana,
- Basab Pradhan says:
August 22, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Raj,
thanks for stopping by. Indeed, the process appears to differ from registrar to registrar. Later even Infosys Bhubaneswar decided to switch to a different registrar that offered online forms that could be filled out prior to going for the biometric scans.
The dream is to use this data to standardise India’s physical address system — we are one of the few countries where no standardized addressing format exist (I am referring to a postal address for example).
Anyone who can do this, will win my undying gratitude. Getting directions in India can be quite an adventure in itself.
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The UIDAI has taken two successive governments in India and the entire world for a ride. It identifies nothing. It is not unique. The entire UID data has never been verified and audited. The UID cannot be used for governance, financial databases or anything. It’s use is the biggest threat to national security since independence. – Anupam Saraph 2018
When I opposed Aadhaar in 2010 , I was called a BJP stooge. In 2016 I am still opposing Aadhaar for the same reasons and I am told I am a Congress die hard. No one wants to see why I oppose Aadhaar as it is too difficult. Plus Aadhaar is FREE so why not get one ? Ram Krishnaswamy
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.-Mahatma Gandhi
In matters of conscience, the law of the majority has no place.Mahatma Gandhi
“The invasion of privacy is of no consequence because privacy is not a fundamental right and has no meaning under Article 21. The right to privacy is not a guaranteed under the constitution, because privacy is not a fundamental right.” Article 21 of the Indian constitution refers to the right to life and liberty -Attorney General Mukul Rohatgi
“There is merit in the complaints. You are unwittingly allowing snooping, harassment and commercial exploitation. The information about an individual obtained by the UIDAI while issuing an Aadhaar card shall not be used for any other purpose, save as above, except as may be directed by a court for the purpose of criminal investigation.”-A three judge bench headed by Justice J Chelameswar said in an interim order.
Legal scholar Usha Ramanathan describes UID as an inverse of sunshine laws like the Right to Information. While the RTI makes the state transparent to the citizen, the UID does the inverse: it makes the citizen transparent to the state, she says.
Good idea gone bad
I have written earlier that UID/Aadhaar was a poorly designed, unreliable and expensive solution to the really good idea of providing national identification for over a billion Indians. My petition contends that UID in its current form violates the right to privacy of a citizen, guaranteed under Article 21 of the Constitution. This is because sensitive biometric and demographic information of citizens are with enrolment agencies, registrars and sub-registrars who have no legal liability for any misuse of this data. This petition has opened up the larger discussion on privacy rights for Indians. The current Article 21 interpretation by the Supreme Court was done decades ago, before the advent of internet and today’s technology and all the new privacy challenges that have arisen as a consequence.
Rajeev Chandrasekhar, MP Rajya Sabha
“What is Aadhaar? There is enormous confusion. That Aadhaar will identify people who are entitled for subsidy. No. Aadhaar doesn’t determine who is eligible and who isn’t,” Jairam Ramesh
But Aadhaar has been mythologised during the previous government by its creators into some technology super force that will transform governance in a miraculous manner. I even read an article recently that compared Aadhaar to some revolution and quoted a 1930s historian, Will Durant.Rajeev Chandrasekhar, Rajya Sabha MP
“I know you will say that it is not mandatory. But, it is compulsorily mandatorily voluntary,” Jairam Ramesh, Rajya Saba April 2017.
August 24, 2017: The nine-judge Constitution Bench rules that right to privacy is “intrinsic to life and liberty”and is inherently protected under the various fundamental freedoms enshrined under Part III of the Indian Constitution
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“Arguing that you don’t care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don’t care about free speech because you have nothing to say.” -Edward Snowden
In the Supreme Court, Meenakshi Arora, one of the senior counsel in the case, compared it to living under a general, perpetual, nation-wide criminal warrant.
Had never thought of it that way, but living in the Aadhaar universe is like living in a prison. All of us are treated like criminals with barely any rights or recourse and gatekeepers have absolute power on you and your life.
Announcing the launch of the # BreakAadhaarChainscampaign, culminating with events in multiple cities on 12th Jan. This is the last opportunity to make your voice heard before the Supreme Court hearings start on 17th Jan 2018. In collaboration with @no2uidand@rozi_roti.
UIDAI's security seems to be founded on four time tested pillars of security idiocy
1) Denial
2) Issue fiats and point finger
3) Shoot messenger
4) Bury head in sand.
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