IANS | Jun 7, 2012, 04.31PM IST
NEW DELHI: The union Cabinet on Thursday discussed a fresh row between the home ministry and the Unique Identification Authority of India (UIDAI) and decided both will collect biometric data of 1.2 billion Indians, said sources.
The home ministry, headed by P Chidambaram, and the UIDAI, headed by Nandan Nilekani, have been battling over the issue of collection of biometric data which entails the right to scan people's eyes and fingerprints.
In January, a cabinet committee on UIDAI, chaired by Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, had settled the turf war between the home minister and Planning Commission Deputy Chairman Montek Singh Ahluwalia and said UIDAI (which comes under the Planning Commission) would issue 600 million cards in 16 states and union territories.
The home ministry will cover the remaining 600 million people as part of the National Population Register (NPR) being prepared by the Registrar General of India, the cabinet panel had said.
Sources said the cabinet again discussed the issue on Thursday after Chidambaram recently wrote to the Prime Minister complaining that the NPR project had "come to a standstill" because of the UID scheme.
"The collection of photographs and biometrics has been facing hurdles at every step on account approach of the UIDAI, which, it seems, has failed to appreciate the core purpose of the National Population Register," Chidambaram said in his letter.
He also slammed the UIDAI for allegedly not following the cabinet's orders.
"Despite clear orders from the cabinet, the UIDAI is objecting to the conduct of NPR camps in certain states and is also refusing to accept the biometric data of NPR for de-duplication and generation of Aadhaar number," he said.
The NPR would lead to a resident identity card which will culminate in a citizenship card.
The UID project seeks to provide unique identity numbers to the marginalised sections of society and strengthen equity.
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3 Followers
7 hrs ago
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So, 8 years of RAAJ and still the job is not even started. Now when they started , they made it look like a war effort but since the congies are looking at a massice defeat, they just dont know how to capitalise and justify this mamoth expense. Even if someone wanted to do it, PC wont let it, because it is quiet clear that his WHITE DHOTI is not that WHITE AFTER ALL. What expectations we had when I voted for them second time, but looks like it was guge histake, this time I am not going to be emotionally blakmailed by Dr. Singh or Montek Singh team, they may be good and honest, but leadership is a TEAM WORK and their whole team is corrupt, no what Dr Singh justifies, but I am not going to buy another lie of Congress this time. Better wrap up this comission before people start smelling scam into this affair. Also, a good question would be , with a population of Billion, how come 600 million data could serve any purpose? Looks like someone wants to shell in money into their pocket and as usual deliver NOTHING in return.
S.Kalyanasundaram (now at USA)
7 hrs ago
It is really painful to note that such an aadhar card issue is facing lot of controversies among the two Government departments. Though I and my wife went to Post Office, Mambalam, chennai in November 2011 and registered for the issue of this aadhar card, but we are yet to receive the card inspite of bringing the non receipt of the same to the authorities concerned. It is not understandable for the delay in receiving the cards.
rrkasera (Navimumbai)
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8 hrs ago
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A comman man needs a identity card and you need so much time to decide.......
Nandu (USA)
8 hrs ago
Animal Farm! Ego, Ego, Ego. India will always go backwards - no wonder, Indians succeeed overseas more than they do at home. Someone please let PC (Home Minister) know that is tarring his image.
sid (ut)
8 hrs ago
Discussion in China between Krishna & China:
China : What do you want to convince USA not to interfere in Asia Pacific issues. Krishna : $200 Billion ( Rs.11Lakhs crore) on each person of Sonia Gandhi family and Priyanka Gandhi Family plus $500 Billion ( Rs.28 lakh crores) for Congress party fund.
China : Done
China : Done, y
ganapathy (adadmbakkam)
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10 hrs ago
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It hurts the ego of PC to accept N 's UID and the ultimate sufferer will be the aam aadmi.
avtar chauhan (usa)
11 hrs ago
WOW ! What a cock-fight ! Both of the pets belong to the same aviary; probably owned & fed by the top-notch handlers! UIDAI has had the blessings of the PM,where as the NPR was proposed, discussed,debated,at a later date, since the HM was not convinced with the incomplete data of UIDA. Second thoughts,not to enrage the contenders,decided to share the mega project,costing mega millions,on 50:50 basis.However,the matter did not seem to have to settled amicably even after the weak-kneed decision,just by giving in meekly on the face of it ;rather far from it ! Tax-payers' money is always handy to squander by way of R&D undecided projects,declaring one as garbage after having spent millions on the half heartedly decided project unintelligently& dump elsewhere,ultimately without shouldering any responsibility . All because of poor & weak leadership & or dual leadership !The PM ought to have been assertive to convey his unilateral decision after having convened meetings after meetings .Who is the Boss ? Not cock-sure;still scratching head to have a final word!
Sudip (Tonga)
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11 hrs ago
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Meetings after meetings, months after months PM, FM, HM all have failed to resolve this issue. None of them have any problem solving capabilities.
11 hrs ago
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This project if ever happens in India, would be the greatest surprise and the best thing to happen for us! The politics would never let this happen for its own loop holes and will become another avenue for siphoning huge monies of tax payers. What happend to the voter's id project? Wantedly done with many errors, inspite of filling the details in all CAPS to keep the educated voters away from the polling booths....see the link!!
11 hrs ago
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Govt work is in total failure due to no coordination & no cooperation. First clear & solve all disputes and complete existing work at primary stage of economy of economy after its success then only think about 100th step of introducing Hi-tech instruments in our economy
pranav (bangalore)
12 hrs ago
The trickiest tongue twister in the English is apparently "Sixth sick sheik s sixth sheep s sick". Give it a try and see for yourself.
P.E.Subramanian (Palakkad)
12 hrs ago
UIDA was initited with much fanfare by PM and Mr. Nilekani was brought in to head the project. At that time there was no mention about NPR . Neither the PMO nor other senior Ministers could smell any impending tussle between UIDA and NPR, which clearly goes to prove that their planning was not on firm footing ! Further adding to the turmoil, our PM has suggested that both UIDA and NPR will cover 600 million population each. This will also add to the confusion at a later date. To overcome any setback for these projects, let the activities of both UIDA and NPR converge to a common platform. Already lot money has been spent on these two projects. The biometric details are already present on both projects. What is required is to share these details and comeout with a common single product at the earliest.
11 Followers
12 hrs ago
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UIDAI is doing a great job. But it will be wasted. For at least two empires, namely the banks under the finance ministry and the registrar under the home ministry, arecreating their own databases. Home ministry will make all sorts of allegations against UIDAI, and refuse to cooperate with it; . So be ready to submit yourself to many more machine readings.Country thus is spending three times for the same job !!! And I tell you at the end they will discard all the three data bases on some bogus plea and will start all over again. This happens only in India.
9 Followers
12 hrs ago
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Most of the criminals are supported my many politicians. So politicians want to please those by politicizing the issue. It is good that India collect this type of info. It will definitely play a part in controlling corruption and fraud.
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12 hrs ago
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you mean "Most of the criminals are supported BY many politicians"
mauji (kanpur)
12 hrs ago
Mr. Nilekani is wasting his energy and time. He had served country in a much better way and it will be good for him. industry and public that he returns to his old job. They will not get success to work independently even after another two decades from now.
ksmenon6 (Bangalore)
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12 hrs ago
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This is an ego clash.Why cannot it be discussed and sorted out.The main purpose is to improve our system.Both should see this in a much broader perspective.Put an end to this at the earliest.
siddhu (India)
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UID has been a waste of money from very beginning!!.. nilekani's stubbornness to become a part of something extragavant has made him overlook hard truths!
chandra (bangalore)
12 hrs ago
Bio metric data collection and issue of citizen ship card would help tracing the criminals a bit less burden. Now in India there are so many criminals running free as they do not get caught by the police. If this info is used properly many fraudsters can be caught. Do not delay it by your politics Mr. Chidambaram.
rahul (New Delhi)
13 hrs ago
Doesnt this man Chidambaram have any fc*king shame. How many thousands of cores will be spend in duplicating this effort!! what % goes in his or his son's pocket?
vivek (Gwalior)
13 hrs ago
HIs family owns Indian oversees bank! i wonder why every congressi is scared of him? All the secrets he has? I wonder why all this allies are not parting with UPA govt? They have the list from Swiss govt. of the all the black money? They can leak it selectively?
Zio Left Unchecked UIDIA can be a scary monster (india)
13 hrs ago
Its scary how little the average Indian cares about his and fellow Indians Fundamental right to Privacy .The misuse of such massive data by corrupt government officials is really scary We know how Governments love spying on its people and corrupt governments more so Indians must welcome it as a ANTICORRUPTION TOOL AND BE ETERNALLY VIGILANT AS TO HOW ITS USED
15 Followers
13 hrs ago
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Each will collect on their own and there will be multiple data to confuse and create chaos in India! Jai Ho!
6 Followers
13 hrs ago
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Politicians like Chidambaram are chronic diseases for Indian politics. They are old models and can't keep pace with time.
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13 hrs ago
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whole idea of aadhar card is brought forward to defraud the taxpayer's money by awarding contracts to IT companies for a scheme which is doomed to fail..Montek the cheater is man behind this scam along with Nilekani, the loser from Infosys... The idea is to waste billions of rupees for a few years and then declare the scheme as useless and impractical..I have seen Bangladeshis getting these aadhar cards in Mumbai..Next in line will be passports.. Not sure but Kasab may also be able to get this aadhar card by looking at non-existent way to crosscheck the documents provided to verify identity..
Saurabh (Gaya) replies to Babu Moshay
12 hrs ago
Fingerprint technology is bogus. It works only when the number of users is within a few thousand. Fingerprints of labourers and old people cannot be scanned effectively. Whenever someone gets Rs. 2 per kg subsidized rice, the person's fingerprint must be compared with the next one billion fingerprints. This will require massive IT infrastructure, high bandwidth, and trained pereson to do and maintain everything. The data checking will cost more than the Rs.2 rice. Aadhar is bound to fail whether it takes 10 years or 50 years. Even with access to most advanced technologies and maximum money, USA has about 11 million illegal migrants.
Vijay (Delhi)
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The scheme is already meeting a lackluster response from middle class upwards.The locations at which the registration etc. is done is heavily crowded mainly by those people who are in "Q" to get BPL benefits.
Girish (USA)
13 hrs ago
I don't understand why the tax payers have to pay for the DUMBEST dog called, Montek Singh Ahluwalia?
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13 hrs ago
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It appears as if the left hand doesn't what the right hand is doing in this Congress/UPA government. UIDAI and NPR have some common fields. Both the parties should act in such a manner that effort is not duplicated. NPR, as it seems, is a super set of UIDAI. UIDAI can be conveniently derived out of NPR data. Why are these people wasting public money in duplicating the effort. PM must mediate to resolve the issue immediately lest lot of money is unnecessarily wasted. Planning commission is already doing that on super sonic speed - like spending Rs 35 Lacs on furbishing two toilets.
Sonic (Pan) replies to Col Sondhi
11 hrs ago
and you will remember this ass0 telling Rs.32 to be suffiecient to surivive...let him shove thaose rs.35 lakh worht toilet up his filthy arse
Wildduck (Europe. )
13 hrs ago
The joke part of everything in Indian politics is nobody is accountable for anything.. Everyone want to fulfill his/her dream project, while pocketing the money and no outcome of the project. If any project fails in private office the manager/ director is shown the doors. Here is the situation- who will bell the cat! I want to become politician.!!!!
13 hrs ago
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I doubt the use of UIDAI by politicians(congress). They r allowing huge number illegal foreigners esp form Bangladesh to immigrate to create vote banks. These illegal immigrants first enter the country through Assam, change their appearance & fan out to the rest of the country. After much outcry against these illegal immigrants, the govt is going to only seal the border, but not going to identify these people & deport them because to keep their numbers! It is not the local leaders' idea. It is the directive & order of the central leaderships to preserve these doubtful people & not to harsh them. So no actions r taken by the police even if the people r involved in criminal acts. Therefore it is most likely that these politicians may miss use & manipulate the UIDAI to make these doubtful people, Indian citizen like they do to the police.
Mangs (Mumbai)
13 hrs ago
The making of "BIG" scam...
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13 hrs ago
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Neilkani is doing something good, The vested interests are sure to block. What is very sad, is that the man who got into parliament through the back door by bogus counting of the votes is creating hurdles for the selfless job of Neilkani. Earlier when T.N.Sheshan tried to introduce the voters I.D.card, one senior minister presently in the center, created hurdles for him and the project was delayed by decades. ( If the UID cards are given to every citizen, how do they do the bogus voting and give citizen ships to Bangladeshis ?)
ramana (usa) replies to ncashoknc
13 hrs ago
The case on his election will not be decided till next election. what a shame!
Indian (US)
13 hrs ago
Chidu's son will not be able to make more money unless Home ministry gets some work. Chidu is not bothered about the country's security and fighting terrorism he is more interested in making money for his family. MMS the most useless PM we ever had was not even able to make a decision and divided the responsibility among two departments, such a gutless and shameless PM, knowing very well chidu will try yo make money and NPR will end up as the nex big scam. My sympathies to Nilekani who took up the role of doing something good for the country, unfortunate for him that he had to deal with looter madam's CONgress
John (Mumbai)
13 hrs ago
This exercise will involve thousand of crore rupees hence they are fighting for it
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KN (TX, USA)
13 hrs ago
This is just ridiculous and clearly shows MMS has no guts of decision making. And nonsense PC just want to make his point and waste our money.
Suresh Thakur (Hyderabad) replies to KN
13 hrs ago
It is like the story of a monkey distributing two pieces of bread among st two cats by weighing them and eating from each of the bread . This fellow MMS is like a bearded monkey with his mouth stitched and we are on planets of Apes .
Jai Bharat (Bharat)
13 hrs ago
WE will never see it becoming an INDIAN DREAM..A Super power or even a Developed nation..thanks to all good politicians and their wonderful policies..Thanks to UPA for corruption, and many thanks to our beloved PM for keeping mute always..Jai Bharat!!!
Jay (Kannur,Kerala)
13 hrs ago
Since when unique I'd project was kick started, Chidambaram lost his sleep. He knows very well the Unique I'd project will be a double edged sword which can work against black money and binami holdings. Chiddu is all worried getting caught red handed. Of course he is far sighted !!
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14 hrs ago
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We, the people of India appreciate your fighting between highly qualified folks like you. I feel sorry for Nandan, he quit Infy and agreed to do something for the country, not sure if he's repenting for his dicision.
Ranbir Singh (Delhi)
14 hrs ago
This is nothing but to make more money.Nelakeni,Chidambaram,Montek Singh Aluwalia, Manmohan Singh and Congress government made some useless project and loot millions of crores.This identification will become another fraud star of Chidambaram and Manmohan Singh to stash money in foreign banks.Mostly southies imlies are involved with these project.
I support Nilekani (Bangalore) replies to Ranbir Singh
13 hrs ago
Don't team up Nilekani with others. He gave up CEO post of Infy for country. He would have got much more money(all white) if he stayed in Infy. The project is good and the project success will cause problem with corrupt politician who have "benami" bank a/c and lands.
Chandra M kaushal (Australia)
14 hrs ago
Why congressis can't do anything properly. Why can't there be one card, call is UDAI or NPR. One card for each Citizen working as primary identity, that number being primary identity for each government deperatment like tax, public distribution, social and employment schemes, assiciated to each property ownership, any transaction, voting etc. Law and order, tax, black money, corruption will be resolved substancually. Why Mr Chidambaram is pocking his nose in to it, what he knows about smart cards.
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14 hrs ago
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This shows complete lack of leadership by the PM who had brought in the UID initiative and pulled Nilekani out of his job to head it He should have clearly given the complete mandate to Nilekani and kept the Home Ministry which over the past 60 years has done nothing in this direction Now MMS is trying to appease to the Home Minister and saying that both will be responsible to collect data There is bound to be confusion with both doing their own version and confusing administration and people alike Having two different agencies for one purpose is complete rubbish Its a waste of resources and will serve neither This will go the way of the Voters identity card Nilekani should throw in the towel and get out of it before his name is stained No point working with these politicians
bharatmanch (Gurgaon)
14 hrs ago
Keep watching....... the moment UIDs are delivered, Mamta will make sure each Bangladeshi Intruder has got it first.
Peace (world)
14 hrs ago
No matter what they do, as long as mullah appeasement policies are not stopped there is no hope for the nation. if this data is checked properly i suppose over 5% of India's population is Bangladeshi migrants and 1% of other neighbouring countries which normally consists of paki spies (bakri khan included) and India's population is not shown correctly as a lot of mullah population is still kept wrapped under burqua and are unregistered who produce more unregistered population, India is possibly already ahead of China in population.
Yadi Reddy (Hyderabad)
14 hrs ago
The Adhar card business proved oto be big flop.I dont whhy the government will not be able to do as per plan?Several malpractices were also found in Hyderabad
IndiBloke (India)
14 hrs ago
Karoro rupaya kharch kar diya, aur ek patla sa kaagaz baant rahein hai..Aadhar card should rather be similar to a driving lisence or a debit card..Jahan paisa karch karna chahiya wahan toh nahin karch kar rahi planning commission..card baant rahi hai thaka hua aur toilet pe 35 lakh rupaiya laga diya..Wah re Planning Commission wha reh teri plannings.
Gem (India)
14 hrs ago
This was known and anticipated at the time of launch itself. That the politicians like Chidambaram will high-jack it for his selfish end. PM if he had any guts, would have asked PC to shut up and do his job and should have given UIDAI superior authority to map all 120 crore people. yes, the task is daunting, but is not Impossible. If whole of India decides that they want something good, they can achieve it with proper machinery organised in a short time. Just like other projects that take years and decades to implement (and finally implemented in a disastrous form if at all completed), this project will also die its unnatural death with complete mess for poeple and a big loot for the politicians. I can imagine why politicians like PC and Sibal are fighting tooth and nail against JanLokPal!!!!
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13 hrs ago
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They just create these kind of projects and invest thousands of crores and invite people like Nandan to drive, this is just a eyewash from the cong govt. There was so much hype and greatness when this project kicked-off and Nandan took over it, poor Nandan didn't know that this is just a namesake project and the funds alloted to it is only to pocket it and send it to swiss acc.
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14 hrs ago
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This is neither "something good" nor is it a turf war. It's a scam of humungous proportions. Both MHA and UIDAI want to get out with some face-saving. Perhaps, UPA too wants out. What better way than to have an apparent fight? Follow the civil suit in Bangalore and you would know the whole sordid story.
pcs18 (India)
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14 hrs ago
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a case of total mental bankruptcy. why NPR data can't be merged with UID or vice versa
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13 hrs ago
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What is the purpose of all this data? How does one know whether the data is not mere garbage. You are perhaps, familiar with the saying about IT projects, "GIGO". How will you merge the data? Are you aware that NPR was intended to prevent illegal immigrations? Will it? UID was for welfare benefits. Will it? Who is bluffing? How do you trust government, its politicians and babus? Do you not watch the expose every day on TV and in print media?
Ajay Kumar (Stockholm, Sweden)
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since independence we do not have social security number which every countries of the world as a standard including Sri Lanka, but we have so much intellectual minds in the country but we are not able to collect our own data since last 65 plus years and issue a proper social security number to all our citizens because of political tangle. What a hypocrisy ??
subhashyam (india)
14 hrs ago
I am confident that they resolve...between Montek,Nilakeni and PC. Let us remember Nilakeni was elevated to the task by UPA.. While he is a brilliant Technocrat, the practicality and Ground issues may be new to him... as can be seen in Difficulties over ADHAR card issues. He is not to be blamed, but WE ALL need to be more responsible to support. While, if the work was devided between 2 Depts, as stated, they should be cooperating with each other... No Place for INFIGHT or EGO... as it is made out to be in the article... i think Media is playing to Gallery... Give a bit of time and you will see that this issue DIES in no time...
Jigar Oza (Ahmedabad)
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14 hrs ago
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For god sake please think about the nation first rather than thinking of Home Monistry or UIDAI. While you have created UIDAI then why you are trying to enform NPR simultaneously. Really this government is only thinking about serving individual purpose of ministries, not the nation.
jaisimhaag (Bangalore)
14 hrs ago
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This whole thing is a joke and another few hundred crores of public money gone. The concept is good but our guys are never able to complete any task they take up.
Shyamal Ganguly (USA)
14 hrs ago
All good intentions of Government is fraught with danger. Chidambaram is a sinister fellow. He will use this database to harass people who are vocal against the ruling party. He should be stopped from building this database. This database will serve no purpose other than giving more powers to the Bureaucrats steal money by grouping people. I am sure in this biometric data they will keep address, sex, religion, caste etc. etc. to harass the people. Everytime there is a change in any of the info, the citizen has to go and kiss the hand of a bureaucrat and pay him some money.
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I wish good sense prevails and Mr. Nilekani's experience and talent is used for the good of the country.
Rajendran PK (Thrissur KER)
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This is the symbolic representation of UPA lead Mr.Manmohan Singh govt, the situation is similar to, two bullocks tied on a cart left and right! The cart will not move either side, since both bullocks are forcing on opposite directions! Misusing of public exchequer!
Vasudevan (Mumbai)
14 hrs ago
Ultimately these cards may not serve any purpose
R.N.Ratnam (Chennai)
14 hrs ago
Scanning the eyes and fingerprints is an invasion of Privacy unless the individual concerned is criminally charged. All these great people put together are making lives miserable for every one. UIDAI should be given the job of constructing the type of Toliets recently built in Yojana Bhavan in all the Villages of India. It will make for a better India. ID Cards are issued after intensive verification by the Immigration Officers in the Immigration Department in Hong Kong. There is no Minister to do this job. This is DR.Singh's largesse to Nandan Nilekani as Dr.Singh liked his book. All Tax Payers' money and no accountability.
dipanshu (Hyd)
14 hrs ago
Its over 13 months since we applied and awaiting for cards. About 2 month back under RTI we got reply that data is getting validated, not sure what is getting validated and against what and how.
Vishal (Jeddah)
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Chidambaram is trying to show how much sincere he is. Both agency have ego clashes and for that they are wasting people money,time and lastly harassment from government employee
jingalala (India)
15 hrs ago
udi - more waste of money......while the country is screaming for basic services n infrastructure..!!
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15 hrs ago
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This is eighth month since I applied for UIDAI card. No news, no response so far. Does it take so much time to receive the card? Is it the normal course of time or some have received before time?
tlverma (Faridabad)
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Looking to the present state of affairs and rate of progress , i am afraid that this project involving the entire population of the country numbering quite a few millions AND the huge amount of money involved will ultimately be abandoned or meet its untimely end resulting in simply wastage of tax payers money. Look at the size of the population and other odds involved , SIMPLY A HORRIBLE TASK.
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anil (SEA)
15 hrs ago
I think this crooked PC's son would be the beneficiary of this duplicate effort NPR
Zio UIDAI MUST BE USED ONLY FOR SOCIAL SECURITY SCHEMS CRIMINAL DATABASES AND NOTHING ELSE (india)
15 hrs ago
The UDAI is a violation of the citizens Fundamental right to privacy which is part of the right to life Poor people using UIDAI for Social security schemes can come within UIDAI to prevent its Misuse and to see that money reaches the real beneficiaries BUT ONCE THEY STOP USING UIDAI THEIR INFO MUST BE WIPED OUT INOTHER WORDS UIDAI MUST ONLY BE LINKED TO SOCILA SECURITY SCHEMES AND CRIMINAL DATABASES NOTHING ELSE Also under no circumstances except by court order must personal info be given to outside parties especially foreign agencies
vinod (thailand)
15 hrs ago
how can you have two authorities collect the same data on the nationals. Whose data will be dominant in legal and other issues. Aren't we going to spend double the money and energy and double the trouble to do a simple job of recording Biometric data on people? In Thailand with 60 million people no two persons have the same name. There is a simple rule. You have a name and a surname - no middle names. When you name your child - it is checked with the existing data and if there is another person with the same surname and name - the name is rejected. So if you grand father is named Rahul, you cannot be named Rahul. You may use Rahool but not Rahul. Easy.
Shyamal Ganguly (USA) replies to vinod
14 hrs ago
This is the most funny way of unique identification kept on citizens. This could be case study material for database and IT experts. If my grandfather Rahul is dead, is the name available again for re-use?
vinod replies to Shyamal Ganguly
11 hrs ago
i understand this will pose a problem in India where people seldom change surnames. there are many ways to do the unique identification. Like Rahul Burman s/o Krishna and Yashodhara. Now the chances of three names to be the same are much meager and that can be controlled. The id no. is still there as the last resort but in real life it is a lot easier to have unique texts also. anyway, having two different entities collect separate data is blatant redundancy.
Shyamal Ganguly replies to vinod
10 hrs ago
Vinod, here are some cultural observations among countries. In USA people are raised as egocentric individuals. Whereas in Asia people have strong family affiliations, kinship and people do not mind to flaunt those in public. Social Security Card is the only identifier that keeps a tab on all the citizens. In recent years a national database has been created for all the drivers and this gives the photo id. Biometric is only for those who are not citizens. America will never allow a universal biometric because majority believe that Government will misuse it. I strongly believe this BIOMETRIC documenting of 1.2 Billion Indians is a real mess to maintain - just the way it has been designed and getting implemented (half of the database under Nilkeni and half under Chiddu)and this will be misused by the Government royally. Do not you see the timing of the Government of Income Tax investigation against Baba Ramdev and Kejriwall?
vinod replies to Shyamal Ganguly
43 mins ago
i think we are drifting away from our main debate on which i guess we both agree - the database cannot be created by two separate entities. Now whether there should be any database at all - that is an issue that can be debated, as you have clearly stated that it will make the government all too powerful. but i think the advantages might outweigh disadvantages - like we have 5 year tenure for governments to check the misdeeds. and yes there is a unique id database in usa and it can be tracked by your driving license. Philosophically in an utopian society of which i am a big fan and thinker lol locks might not be necessary but unique id is needed just to create the organisation that caters for all. I understand your frustration about congress's attack on ramdev and kejriwal - i am with you on that and i think congress is seeing its last days. India is doomed - the last resort is EDUCATION - free high school education and vocational colleges where they teach you cooking, carpentry, hospitality, plumbing, pottery, metal processing, auto repairing etc., etc., which can create craftsmen who can in turn become the entrepreuners which India desperately lacks. - for so many reasons we all know. In spite of all that. I am hopeful for a bright future for Indians and my calculation says that internationally all grounds will be level by end of this century. lol.
Riz (Dubai) replies to Shyamal Ganguly
14 hrs ago
UR RIGHT, INSTEAD NAME EVERYBODY CAN BE IDENTIFIED WITH A UNIQUE ID LIKE AAXXYY123... AND LET THE NAME BE WHATEVER HE WANTS TO BE CALLED.
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If properly planned and executed, this project should have been completed in 6 months with UIDC issued to all the citizens of India. But even after 6 years I doubt if all the citizens be issued the card the way things are going now.
a (b)
15 hrs ago
see the funny side of news at site satiresofindia
Mk (Dubai)
15 hrs ago
They are fighting to make some money out of these projects another corruption. The head of Infosys and UIDAI is come out with a laminated card which looks flimsy this is 21st century and countries have come out with smart cards and India is still on paper cards. Check out the national ID card issued by UAE goverment for all residents which is like a smart card and linked to all major goverment agencies,banks etc. Why can't UIDAI or whichever commission come out with such cards. Even today many states in India are driving licences issued on paper book when most countries have it as plastice cards..like credit cards these minister are only there to loot the public tax payers money and give all filthy productst to public and they want 35 lacs toilet to s**t.........
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India is not a prison and Indians are not prisoners. I will take these Biometric cards from the Government on whatever promise.
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I have said I will not. Times now is playing trick here with my comment.
VSGR (Bangalore)
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Complete waste of money without any purpose. First bring the unianimity and then start the programme. Else money will go waste only like this. Only middle-men get benefitted because of this. Chidambaram is opposing because he may lose his %age of commission
Dalton Maurya (Bangalore)
15 hrs ago
Any project by government would be a failure. In this Nandan also can not do anything. Our governments are worthy for carrying out any major project. Government departments they themselves are not clear. I don't understand why different -different cards are required by individuals. We are not able to implement properly election commission card (i.e. citizen card) itself. Everytime, we change our address, we have to get a apply to government office. we have to change our card. is it proof of residence or it is citizen cards. We have to hold pan card, bpl card, citizen ship card, smart card for driving license, smart card for vehicles, etc.
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Afraid to take your caste share of land as per 4th August 1932 Round Table Conference Resolution (Communal Award) and build your own nation? (goo . gl/4DyZX)
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A citizen`s card with adequate verification should have been given priority. All the infiltrators are getting the UID easily and without proper verification. This might create a problem later.
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surely the safety of the biometric data is at stake.....
bharatmanch (Gurgaon)
15 hrs ago
Never know what these ministers spend time on. No contingency plans, No proper execution plans................Just keep on Passing fancy bills. Like Right to Education - No exams, Only grades even if you study or not. Shortage of teachers and good-teachers in the existing IITs, but declare 1000 more IITs.................Useless/Hopeless.........
T (Mumbai)
15 hrs ago
Get this rotten Chodum-baram out of cabinet and NPR/UIDAI project....... Nilekani knows his job....... chodum-baram is only creating unnecessary hassles....... b@st@rd first let PORKIS into the country...... led to terror attacks and now opposes UIDAI because he can't find the terrorists or their sleeper cells.........
Rohan (Mumbai) replies to T
15 hrs ago
Those who don'yt know Nilekani is a puppet of Illuminati
Dinesh (Mumbai)
15 hrs ago
Please do it quickly.
RRRao (Mumbai)
15 hrs ago
what is the constitutional validity of collecting the biometric data like finger prints and eye images of innocent individuals and does it not amount to invasion of their right to privacy? see various articles and judgments of the France and US courts.
sudhir (paris,france) replies to RRRao
15 hrs ago
Even in france goveremnet collect the finger prints of each finger and palm for both Citizen,Immigrants and refugee ....just sittting in mumbai and telling stupid things.They are more systematic in this .
Jaggu (Bbsr) replies to RRRao
15 hrs ago
Go live in France .
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I do not understand the reason why single window concept is not followed for UID.
rohit (delhi)
15 hrs ago
The UID program makes the government look like fools. Something that the Home Ministry could not do for years, Nandan's team managed in under 2 years. Interestingly the NPR program uses the UIDAI software and setup...despite the political battle the home ministry was unable to even develop the software and back-end systems on their own...another case of all glory and no work.
Sridhar (Chennai)
15 hrs ago
I think Chidambaram is afraid of control. As a Home Ministry they should have the intelligence about the people - Unique identify of people with their finger prints etc. but a separate authority (UIDAI) is holding that data and that authority is not reporting to Home Ministry. There lies the issue. Home ministry should stop the work of collecting this data and get a privileged access to the database (only to view) so that it can manage its intelligence business without any interference / knowledge of UIDAI. Home Ministry should focus more data (other than ones focussed by UID) to populate their National Population Register but take help of UID list - because it is a unique list.
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I don't know why there is duplication (UIDIA vs NPR) in first place. Why can't all the stake holders should sit together and decide on one thing. Why is it the case that in half of the states UIDAI would be given and in other half NPR? I think this duplication defeats the whole purpose of having sigle identity (multi-purpose) card.
Ajay (Mumbai) replies to Anand
15 hrs ago
This duplication is on purpose to make things less transparent and less dangerous for politicians, many of whom are criminals.
Samir (Canada)
15 hrs ago
This story appeared in Indian Express on 3rd June. No other Secular news papers published it. Please read this story and think if Manmohan is as clean and honest as he looks. Please verify this story if you dont believe me, or just google " below words and click on Indian Express site. The Task Force on National Security, headed by Naresh Chandra, recently submitted its report to the Prime Minister. However, members of the committee were in for a surprise. The PMO wanted references to the achievements of the Vajpayee government removed from the document. The final draft had consequently to be re-worked and portions relating to the Kargil Review Committee instituted by then Prime Minister Vajpayee, were omitted. The recommendations of the Group of Ministers constituted in 2000 to act on the Kargil Committee Report’s findings were also deleted. The PMO instructed the Task Force report focus simply on how the UPA views national security. In spite of censoring the major portion concerning the NDA government, in some chapters, references to the Kargil Review Committee and the GoM’s recommendations still crop up.
bhrigu (india) replies to Samir
15 hrs ago
Dude , thats a blog not a news..
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all points well taken on the topic over the years, fact remains that though the intent may be right but the method and process that they are following are very vauge and will lead no where
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Why can't there be a unified approach? Why should 2 agencies handle the same type of job? There could be significant cost savings if we get the job done though a single agency, by avoiding any overlapping functions. Can the Govt realize the importance of the job involved and entrust the job only Nilekani, a technical expert roped in for the job to be achieved on a targeted time line? Division of authority in carrying out same type of job could lead to enormous and avoidable delay.
gereww (del) replies to R Gopalan
15 hrs ago
UID will be used to control Indians. Controller will be Congress. People will willingly become subjects. Jai Ho Italy.
FFDSFFSF (PUNE) replies to R Gopalan
15 hrs ago
100 percent right.....This is where we fail.......AND ITS BECAUSE OF THIS ATTITUDE THAT MOST OF THE DEVELOPMENT IS LACKING. THE LEADER AT THE TOP SHOULD BE STRONG ENOUGH ......BUT UNFORTUNATELY THERE IS NOTHING HAPPENING BECAUSE THE LEADER WANTS EVERYONE TO BE KEPT HAPPY. TECHNICAL ISSUES ARE BEING MADE EGO ISSUES.
Afzal-Kasab (Delhi)
16 hrs ago
Both these guys are 100% useless & selfish; well-known money sucker. One screwed Infosys functioning another screwed government department functioning.
Vox (India)
16 hrs ago
While Nilekani is an expert and technical person Chidambaram is only a politician, power mad, arrogant and a spoiler. Both are of cabinet rank but Chidam wants to boss over Nilekani. It is high time that Chiadfambaram is shown the door by the PM.
Haha... (Bangaluru) replies to Vox
16 hrs ago
Nilekani may be an EX? or PART? But not expert. Get your comment verified by Infosys teaff.
akash (delhi)
16 hrs ago
laugh it off folks ...one, because such news is becoming a common place and two, because this newspaper reports without any views, and analyses and hence sometimes get a biased view. Both, politics and journalism are at their lowest ebb currently. A reformist is required!!!
Hitesh (Gurgaon)
16 hrs ago
Both UIDAI & NPR get Rs.50/- per enrolment under Union Budget. For 120 Cr pop, this works out to Rs.6000 Cr. Now both agencies will cover all Indians i.e budget becomes double-fold i.e Rs.12000 Cr. The adm cost of UIDAI & NPR is extra. Double expenditure because we operate in separate silos. And tax-payers are bled further
Manish (Munger)
16 hrs ago
As per the guidelines of the govt. it seems that people belonging to the lower strata of society w'd benefit from the UIDAI whereas NPR TO do about the same so far identity factor of individuals are concerned for the rest of the countrymen so how the two can be contradictory to each other and again how it is possible that half of the population below certain living standard can be taken up just in 16 states of the country and what about the rest population to be provided UIDAI and will it not extend the limit decided yet for UIDAI cards. It seems that some contradiction persists within the arms of the government and that needs to be addressed first.
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The Home Ministry under Chidu wants to boss over every one in India
Gaurav (india)
16 hrs ago
once i send email to core member of the UID card .My concern & question still the same .where we are heading ?is just like ocean which is not ending .it is better to change our way to meet the challenge .even we are able to collect small number of UID card we can make sense out it .Lets form two task force ,which is going to operate in two ways .for urbam and metro .so far as metro is concern IT professional do have biometric card .i also have NSDL card where they have my finger prints and other details .Now if start making compulsory these UID card for cab drivers and other samll workers it add some value to police to catch the culprit .Most of time we get evidence but we do not able catch the police .i think in metro version we need add more thing which will make these UID card more beneficial DNA sample .there are many times women come alone in cabs .if we have DNA sample of cab driver and security card they will think 20 times to do any kind of mischief .This is also applicable to bust driver and auto rickshaw . in initial way .I think in metros every one's DNA collection is must .specially when it comes renter and servant .without UId card no body can allow any one for rent .this is also same servnant also .so DNA sample is really important to keep it will make UID much more beneficial to curb the crime .
sankar (chennai)
16 hrs ago
Considering the number of cards to be issued a separate unique authority must be in place. It is childish on the part of the departments or ministries involved to be quarrelling over the issue. Clearly one must step aside and let single agency (preferably Nilekeni) to deal this issue. Things will not stop after the issue. There will be updates on the data on various heads, births and deaths and so on.
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Dr Subramanian Swamy has clearly stated in his website, " I now have further information from my usually reliable sources in the Union Government that the tapping of Finance Minister Mr. Pranab Mukherjee and his close associate in the Ministry, enabled Mr. Robert Vadra the son-in-law of Ms. Sonia Gandhi and Mr. Karthik son of Mr. P. Chidambaram, to use the data thereby collected to manipulate and rig the Mumbai stock market .
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Government appears to be directionless. What is wrong with Aadhar, make this a citizenship card.
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Everything is wrong with Aadhar. How will Home Ministry get its share of Malai, how will police deparments get their part of importance. Who cares about budget or need. It is all about influence. And Chiddu haqs started to think if a guy like MMS can become PM for almost 10 yrs by just being an obedient .......of G family, I can also be PM. After all Rahul baba is in no hurry to grow..
narayana (harihar)
16 hrs ago
why you need duplication bio-metric data in first place. You don't trust your collegue. your intention is to make fast buck as soon as possible. Your days are numbered.
T.A. Rajagopal (Hyderabad)
16 hrs ago
Nandan Nilekani is one of the three to five people whose has contributed towards charity in India and although he had bagged this contract without tenders he seems to be Mr. Clean. Chidu along with Antonio wants this project to loot and loot only as is evident.
Naveen (Hyderabad)
16 hrs ago
Both of them are useless ...
Preeju (Melbourne)
16 hrs ago
Smelling another rot, why should one job be duplicated? two sets of government machinery, including staff, equipment and contracts. Another waste in the end, end up as comment & investigation by the CAG, more noise in parliament. Can the Prime Minister make a decision and ask the the ministers to fall in line? if the PM has no guts to discipline the ministers, he must retire asap.
CH (India)
16 hrs ago
This a big joke. As CR Irani had once commented that most of India's problems are created by the educated class is so very true. Two very erudite, suave, successful and cerebral personalities are sparring at the cost of gullible public money. NPR and Aadhar may be for different purposes but could have been clubbed easily but then you need work to engage important people. Cost: Aadhar in excess of 20k crores and almost same for NPR. We are talking austerity........ We are proud to be Indians..........
AA Ansari (Delhi)
16 hrs ago
I have trust in UIDAI headed by Nelkeni as opposed to NPR headed by corrupt Chiddu. Wonder why MMS cannot stop the nonsense of duplicate work. I am sure Chiddu's team is making money with false data which is why it is being rejected by UIDAI team
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Already a jolt on public money by Planning Commission Pieing. Is our country is worth enough to take a double budget on collection of biometric data?. While the question of Chidambaram being elected as MP is under question why he makes so many headaches to this Government.
m l kesarwani (lucknow)
16 hrs ago
it is really very confusing that there should be two or more agencies capturing same biometric data. there seems to be duplication and whole thing needs rationalisation.
IndianGuy (India)
16 hrs ago
India and China account to 36% of world population, imagine how cramped we are in this country. If measures are not taken there will be struggle for everything in the future. Please limit to one kid per family. What is the point in having a billion people that is not worth producing a quality soccer team that can at least qualify for WC, let alone winning it. 1/10th of the whole Uttar Pradesh population lives in Australia with double the land space of India. Please free up the world to have better quality life by limiting to just one kid per family. If 1 man and 1 woman produce only one kid for next generation, the population wil become half after 80 years. There will be no difference between human beings and cockroaches if we keep on multiplying without any family planning
Rajesh (USA) replies to IndianGuy
9 hrs ago
Sanjay Gandhi was right politician to implement that. he is the one who started work for development of India.
Peace (world) replies to IndianGuy
14 hrs ago
Good advise BUT you should have given your name as MAHAMMAD and only then this message would have reached the islamic people who breed like cockroaches.
sankar (chennai) replies to IndianGuy
16 hrs ago
The problem of India is not population explosion; it is mismanagement of resources by the greedy public as well as politicians.
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